Vox

It even got to the point of someone denying that they'd even NOTICED Rachel Ray was a dark-haired olive-skinned woman, even though her picture was prominently displayed in the very ad in question. Why, come to think of it, is Rachel Ray a woman? We didn't even notice!

As for Exurbanleagues "civility," implying that someone is wearing "swastika earrings" and is a murderous anti-Semite because she's wearing a black and white scarf is a mighty weird version of "civility."

Thanks for having our back, Vox.

I'd always considered Rachael Ray a weak chef with an annoying personality. More of a Stepford Wife than exotic, dusky-hued "other." Who knew she was our generation's Rosa Parks?

I'll let her sit in the front of the bus for now, but if she says "Yum-O!" or "EVOO" one more time, I'm kicking her to the curb.

I wish I had someone from Democratic Underground to comment on my blog. We used to have someone who would consider us (back when we had SAJU and Edward posting as well) consider us the kool-aid swilling neocons.... or maybe it was gatorade-swilling theocons or maybe it was snicker bar chewing paleo-cons I forget what he called us

... but I admit I have moonbat-commenting envy

I will do all in my power to support the Exurban boys in this including swilling beer on a daily basis at Sonoran Brewing Company until these baseless attacks on them stop

You're a good man, Anonymous Mike, I am glad you're on my side.

You are on my side, aren't you....?

And not just DU.

Yes, Pamela, that is exactly what I am saying. I noticed it was Rachel Ray. I noticed she was cute and, as ExLg pointed out, 'perky'. There was nothing to notice about her complexion or hair color (being well within the realm of normal), and it certainly wasn't germane to the discussion, so the fact that she had olive-skin didn't even enter my mind.

If her skin was oompah-loompah orange (self-tanner, anyone?) or her hair was shocking pink, I certainly would have taken note. However, since I don't sort people by their skin tone I had no reason to pull that bit of info.

The fact that you do put such weight on a person's color/race/ethnicity, and that you find it so hard to accept that others don't, says far more about you than I think you realize.

OMG! These Kaffiyeh-wearing extremists have infiltrated our military -- and our toy companies!

http://www.xlshop.com/xlshop/product_images/HOTTOYS/USMC-PRE.jpg


http://www.rangerjoes.com/images/875735.jpg

http://www.rstacticalgear.com/prod_images_large/SANDSH21.jpg

Obviously these damning images have been carefully hidden from the public -- otherwise the alert watchdogs at LGF and Exurbanleague would have already demanded the removal of these obvious attempt to popularize terrorism, and abject apologies from those responsible.

For heaven's sake, Vox, what are you waiting for? Start that email campaign NOW!

Pamela, if you are going to steal someone else's bit, you really should give 'em credit.

Obviously, those images are well hidden as I could only get the last one to come up - and there is no black & white, or red & white, kaffiyeh to be seen.

Whose "bit" am I supposed to be stealing?

Scroll down. I count three black and white kaffiyehs here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3346239#3348099

Get those mailing lists rolling!

Looks like "Turn CO Blue" came up with it to me.

And he/she, like you, misses the point entirely. But you still should have given the credit.

I've never read CO Blue, so I could hardly have stolen their "bit."

Exurbanleague and you have claimed that it's all about the "kaffiyeh" Rachael Ray was supposedly wearing. Faced with an example of an honest-to-god kaffiyeh worn by someone who is plainly NOT a Muslim extremist, you amended it to being an issue of red and white or black and white kaffiyehs. I just posted you a link that shows several black and white kaffiyehs being worn by people who are manifestly NOT western-hating terrorists -- and now you say I'm missing the point?

So what exactly IS the point, Vox?

Ah, you meant the DU poster.

For the record, while some of those images are included in his reply to me, I actually came up with the three I posted doing a google search.

What's interesting though, is you made that claim about not seeing any black and white kaffiyehs when, in fact, that very post by Turn CO Blue has three.

How do you account for that?

Hey, we have joint custody of a moonbat!

Do we get her on odd-numbered weekends or something? And who's going to pay for her schooling?

Won't somebody please think of the children?

Oh, ExKev, she's yours - I'm just borrowing her.

I wish I didn't have to work, I could do this all day :-D

I wonder if we can get her to share her gift over at Zonitics, maybe she can even bring some of her friends.

Funny thing is, she seems to be coming back over & over & over & over (or hitting her refresh) to see if I answered her. I'll take the extra hits, but it does make one wonder about her....

Pammy, Pammy, Pammy,

It was always about the black & white kaffiyeh*, or are you trying to say you never noticed what color it was even though the image was prominently displayed. You noticed Ray's skin tone, but missed the color of her scarf?

You just make it obvious that you are in fact more concerned with race, and completely ignorant of the symbolism and dynamics of the Middle East.

I said I saw no b&w or r&w kaffiyehs in the images you sent because I didn't. Not sure if they were in the first two links, since they were broken, but clearly they weren't in the third. Whether they exist or not doesn't actually have bearing on the argument at hand, anymore than whether or not students and hipsters wear them.

I may have to do my own post on this, clearly the comments are not effective for making the case - and clearly you have no idea what the concern is.

*(I expanded it to include the red & white option to give you more leeway, & because that is a color combo also co-opted by Fatah)

I should say that Pamela has, for the most part, avoided full-on moon-battery. Other than the occasional slip, I get the feeling she is honestly trying to present her case logically.

I do, however, disagree with her - and I think what she is arguing for, and I am arguing against (or vice versa) are different issues. It seems as if I am arguing that apples are sweet, and she is arguing that lemons are bitter.

Not that I'm not still having fun with it ;-P

You are telling me, in all seriousness, that you don't see a black and white kaffiyeh on the soldiers in the 5th in 6th pictures down, the man in the black beret, and the man in the red beret?

If that's the case, you plainly aren't looking at the pictures.

v: Funny thing is, she seems to be coming back over & over & over & over (or hitting her refresh) to see if I answered her. I'll take the extra hits, but it does make one wonder about her....

What an odd comment.

As you've observed, Vox, I'm right here. If you were wondering that hard, why not ask me?

Generally what that kind of repeated refresh means is that I'm sitting at my desk on hold, a phone receiver tucked under my chin, and my solitaire game isn't working.

If it bothers you, I won't do it. Thought you'd appreciate the hits, but hey, I have no desire to upset anyone.

I thought I had said I appreciate the hits, but I must have left that in a comment elsewhere. Come on back anytime.

I am amazed at what a stupid scarf on an annoying TV personality in an online ad has done to my traffic.

Does this qualify as a "Yes, I did see the black and white kaffiyehs in the pictures you linked me to but I'd rather not admit it" or a "No, I didn't bother to look to see if there were black and white kaffiyehs in the picture you liked me to and I'm hoping you'll just forget about it."

See above.

Or, pick whichever one pisses you of more and use that, even though the answer is none of the above.

And the third alternative is...?