June 22, 2004


I am watching Clinton on the Oprah show (yes, he get's a full hour there, too) and I am struck by something.

I am starting to think he actually believes his own stories. I've always believed he was just a complete manipulative bastard, now I'm willing to concede he may be a sociopathic manipulative bastard. Rather than thinking he conciously constructs his web of deceit, perhaps once he tells a story he begins to believe it is actually true - and builds on that.

Not any better or worse, I guess, but different.

Just a thought.

UPDATE: BTW, I still think he comes across as a slimeball - I feel like I need to take a shower after watching this.

Posted by Vox at June 22, 2004 03:52 PM | politics

I think that's exactly why he comes off as so believeable - first he believes it himself. I don't know how you consider an impeachment a "badge of honor" any other way.

Posted by: Michael at June 22, 2004 04:00 PM

I would suggest Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

He does not appear to be a sociopath in that he seems to be capable of genuine (not faked) emotional connection with people.

Hillary, on the other hand,....

my skin crawls..

btw... did u get my link begging email?

Posted by: John Moore (Useful Fools) at June 22, 2004 05:14 PM

you watch oprah.

Posted by: broken at June 23, 2004 12:49 AM

Every day. The office TV is on most of the day, and between 1:00 and 4:00 it is on channel 3. Two episodes of Family Feud followed by Dr. Phil followed by Oprah....

Every day

unless one of them is a repeat that my co-worker has seen, then we get to vote :-)

Posted by: Vox at June 23, 2004 01:11 AM


Posted by: wickild at June 23, 2004 10:29 AM

you watch dr. phil

Posted by: broken at June 23, 2004 01:40 PM

you read Clinton

or at least you bought it....

Posted by: Vox at June 23, 2004 04:49 PM

My mom and I watched too. I was making the comment to my mom how this guy should have been an actor. I also really freaking despise people who blame their parents or crappy childhood on their current behaviors. It is complete horseshit! YOU have control over YOURSELF! I don't care who left you during your childhood.

Posted by: Lori at June 23, 2004 07:15 PM

I agree. Many people had a crappy childhood - but they manage to lead perfectly productive, moral lives. Oprah (if she were not on his team) should have said, "my childhood was crappier than yours and I've got my s**t together"

He just blames anyone and everyone but himself. That's one of the reasons I leaned toward sociopath - near complete disconnect from the truth, while believing in his own reality.

Posted by: Vox at June 23, 2004 11:51 PM

i've got to admit that the movie referred to above looks very interesting. conspiracies all around. gotta love it.

sure, i bought the book. i also own jesse ventura's "ain't got time to bleed."

face, the man is out of office. you got what you wanted. quit waxing on about somebody who really has no more pull in this country.

every president has stupid stuff they've done or said while in office. wasn't nixon a republican? i think he resigned, right? oh, wait, it was a conspiracy by the left to get him out of office, right? i forgot about that. those damn political witch hunts.

people wonder why i'm voting none of the above.

Posted by: broken at June 24, 2004 02:32 AM

We would love to get over it - but he won't shut up. As mentioned here, how can we "quit waxing on about somebody who really has no more pull in this country" when he won't get out of our faces? Just this past two weeks has been all Bill, all the time - newspapers, TV, radio. And not only does he still have indirect pull in this country by virtue of his past Presidency (and his ability to capitalize on it, something he has been better at than any other former President), his wife is a Senator - which is a position that has a direct impact on my life.

As for Nixon, yes he was a Republican. Yes, he resigned. However, I can't think of anyone who has claimed it was a conspiracy to get him out (except perhaps Nixon himself, but he was a bit paranoid)

I do know there is nearly as much misinformation about each of their misdeeds. e.g. There seems to be a wide spread belief that there was an attempt at impeachment on Clinton because he had sexual encounters in the Oval office. Most people don't know that he actually was impeached - for lying under oath. Most people couldn't tell you what Nixon did wrong, even the ones that will claim he was "a crook" When asked what Nixon's 'crime' was most can tell you Watergate, but they have no idea what that was, and even those that can usually can't tell you what Nixon's involvement was.

Both were done in by their own weaknesses; Clinton by his ego, Nixon by his paranoia. Nixon did the right thing and stepped aside, Clinton did not and, in fact, sees his impeachment as a "badge of honor".

BTW: I think Nixon was one of the best Presidents we have had. His ability to assemble a great staff and his foreign policy successes set him apart from most leaders of the 20th century.

BTW2: What does Jesse Ventura's book have to do with anything? I assume you read other stuff, just as you can assume I watch other TV shows, but I didn't counter "you watch Dr Phil" with "I also watch Scrubs"

Posted by: Vox at June 24, 2004 11:00 AM

Watergate hmmmm...wasn't that when NIXON grossly misused his powers, he sent the FBI into the DNC's headquarters to get information on defeating the DNC candidate. Anytime you get the most powerful man in the world using the most powerful police origination to do his bidding – that would be considered WRONG. Wouldn’t you think so? I guess I’m just one of those fortunate people that actually knows what happened, HUH!

Posted by: brokens friend at June 24, 2004 10:13 PM

Actually, no - that would be the WRONG answer.

I guess you aren't "one of those fortunate people that actually knows what happened" You are one of the people who proves my point.

Try again.

Posted by: Vox at June 24, 2004 10:35 PM

Broken, why don't you go and play in Democratic Underground? Sounds like that is more your cup of tea.

Posted by: Lori at June 25, 2004 01:09 AM

because screwing with you people is more fun.

democratic underground? never heard of it. i didn't think the democratic process had to go underground now. scary.

Posted by: broken at June 25, 2004 01:12 AM

For my regular readers, I know you know the answer so don't leave it here. It isn't our job to educate people, let them go do some research and come back to try again.

Posted by: Vox at June 25, 2004 03:57 AM